Number 4:

This time it only took 10 seconds to get him or her out if the cave,



What about this one>?

I have 13 L134's now...

There should be some females among these alll...

I hope so !

I would say the 3 fish on the photo's are all male and guessing on what you say about the 4th one not willing to come out of the cave I would say that is a male too.

As you say that you have more "hairy" fish, I would think you are collecting only males..... Peolple always are willing to sell ...

Okay!

And then we have antoher one who dont want to come out of the cave!

Havent seen him or her yet.

I think i have to put a female between this little group. I think there are more males then females now. I have one who is big enough for them in my other aquarium. Im thinking about replacing ...

Yeah i know what you mean!

But it can also change (the hairy part) when they leave in a new group.

My females in the other aquarium are also a little bit hairy..

So I have to wait and see

I think its very interesting to hear everybody's opinion and the reason 'why' they think it.

Whoow! Very very big! Nice

Okay, i thought..

1 male
2 female

3 dont know

Yesterday evening I get some new L134's!

This are the new fishes :)

A little bit stresses from a long time in the car...

http://foto-uploaden.nl/img/2/0u76r8s.jpg

Number 2

http://foto-uploaden.nl/img/9/ak4vti0.jpg

Number 3

http://foto-uploaden.nl/img/1/ex6tpii.jpg

Number 4 wouldnt come ...

Tanks a lot

The filter from the aquarium had nine fishes, in the new one it has only four! But of course there is another filter left... same capacity...

I will feed them lightly for a few days... and test my water a lot!

I have another question...

If i put water from my L134 aquarium into another aquarium... and give it a filter from the L134 aquarium...
Is that aquarium save for my fish?

Okay,

happy to hear that! I was almost thinking that i was crazy with the male and female change

But this male... from the picture became less dominant in this group? Because he has little odontodes now and he had much bigger odontodes....?

So the male at the first picture was very dominant... but now after some months he is subdominant?
He's still a man but not the new 'boss'...?

And you said that females can become subdominant males? How can a female become a male...? :shock:

I understand about the feeding... But how do I know or ...

[quote="aldare"]I would leave the caves there and observe all the fish for few weeks. Males preferring being in the cave doesn't mean they are there still and females preferring staying outside doesn't mean they are not there at all. All is about how much they do or don't in longer time period ...

Look what happend in two/three months:

First:



After 2/3 months:

It looks like everybody has found a place now

5 L134's are in de caves...

And four are in the wood or somewhere else.

Im still not sure for the male and female rate

Some womens are trying to get in the caves with a men....

but they dont like it very much!!!

Its more like a small fight...

OKay, now i have removed some caves!

The L134 were very quick out of the caves :)

There are lying still 5 caves in the water. I thougt to see that there was one male more.

So i think about 4 males and 5 females. Of course im not sure about it but its just a thougt!

We will see what tomorrow ...

Okay,

I will try it tonight!

Hope it will work

I will tell you the story after it

Tonight i have to refresh some water so i think i will bring the caves back to four then.

Another problem.... how can i get the L134's out of their caves?

Apistomaster,

Your story sounds very good and logic.

I think we have to do the same. Im not sure about my males. I have nine L134's.

Five are for sure female, 2 are for sure male. One is dont know (from the picture) and another one doesnt show itself. Always lying in the cave... maybe that looks ...

I only provide one cave for each of my males and wood for additional cover so I am not providing all of the vacant caves many of you are. How's that working for you? I have about 150 juveniles between 1-1/2 and 2 inches I raised this season. I only have 2 males and 3 females in the breeding colony ...

All of my females stay in the caves for the most part unlike some of my hyps. The only easy way to tell my males from females are the very fuzzy tails as Matt mentioned above. I have heard of others claim to have had females with some fuzziness, but not nearly as fuzzy as the males get. I have some ...

Can I just butt in on the "how many caves discussion". Whilst having fewer caves may well force the female to go into the cave with a male, I don't think it matters for breeding. In nature, I'm quite convinced caves are plentiful - perhaps not "good caves", but there are certainly a lot of hollows ...

Perhaps less caves helps the fishes meeting each other, but I would say - too much shelter is impossible from a wellbeing point of view

As the gravid female remains near the cave, she might be thinking this male over as a mate. You might have eggs in a few days, I hope

Okay, thank you Bas ...

Looks like female to me. Females tend to make less use of caves and when they are in one the are usually sharing it with a male. This is not 100% effective method of sexing them but is a behavioral tendency of females of L134 and Hypancistrus spp. It works best if there are fewer caves than the ...

Sorry about that...

Hello everybody,

I'm new at this forum :) I'm Nathalie, 20 years old.

We have nine L134's and we are trying to get some eggs from them!

But I have a question...

One is very fat.. but I had a discussion about the sex!

He or she has a little bit a hairt tail... but is fat like a women.

What do ...