Cetopsis coecutiens

[esob0i]

i read some info on these guys on here an other sites
i was wondering does anyone have any of these or have they had them before?
i seen some of these in a lfs near me an was wondering about getting them since ima restocking my tank

[Yann]

Hi!

These are best kept in specific tank.... not a great idea to house them with other fish, excpet if you want them to serve as meal...

Cheers
Yann

[esob0i]

would they do fine in a community tank?
havent seen much info on how they are

[Martin S]

Have you read the Cat-eLog entry on

Cetopsis coecutiens

?
Check out the Husbandry section for the information you require, but as Yann says, and to quote the Cat-eLog:

Not a fish to be trusted with others. Its natural adult behaviour is to bite lumps out of larger deep river channel fish such as the scaleless Pimelodids. Younger fish in the aquarium do not seem so dangerous, perhaps becuase they are young or well fed. It will however always eat smaller fish and is an accomplished hunter.

HTH
Martin

[daniel60]

I've had Cetopsis coecutiens with banjo cats, but most fishes will be eaten. When one of my whale cats got a bacterial infection it was eaten as well.
But they're fun to watch at feeding time. Here's an old video (they got even crazier as adults): http://www.zoopet.com/video/showphoto.p ... user=27691

[Richard B]

I gotta say i find these fascinating & would like to get round to keeping them some day but would stress they are best kept in a species tank & need to be kept by someone with a fair bit of experience.

these are not a fish for the community tank or novices

[esob0i]

I gotta say i find these fascinating & would like to get round to keeping them some day but would stress they are best kept in a species tank & need to be kept by someone with a fair bit of experience.

these are not a fish for the community tank or novices

thank you everyone for help

and yea i agree about a species tank thats why i was asking about could they be kept with other fish.
i been keeping fish for about over 10 years an grew up with it my whole life an im just surprised this is the first time i ever seen these haha seeing them eat is crazy haha
idk if i want to have my 180 to them by there self i might pick up another 100 something for them maybe but not sure since im getting rid of my africans (cichlids) and starting a SA a CA tank i think i might just pass on them
thanks again for all the help an info

[esob0i]

I gotta say i find these fascinating & would like to get round to keeping them some day but would stress they are best kept in a species tank & need to be kept by someone with a fair bit of experience.

these are not a fish for the community tank or novices

i had another question for you if i do decide on reading up on these an do end up making it a tank just for them would you consider 30 a good price for them
i know my prices of my cichlids an salt water fish but since this one is something new to me im not to sure if this is something that is over priced but im guessing it might be a ok price judging that i never seen or heard of them before haha
thanks again

[Richard B]

That doesn't seem too bad a price - i've seen better but also a lot more expensive

[apistomaster]

I once received a shipment of 25 of one of the small brown Candiru Catfish spp. when I had a fish shop.
Even though they looked much like Brown Kuhlii Loach, Pangio oblongata or similar, they positively gave me the creeps. I can think of literally hundreds of other catfish more deserving but to each his/her own.

[Richard B]

I can think of literally hundreds of other catfish more deserving but to each his/her own.

Well said Larry! Most of this family make my skin crawl, but i find something curiously appealing with Cetopsis.......

[sidguppy]

yes, they look creepy

but for me, that's where charm comes in!
the weirder and more creepy a fish looks the more appealing........

yesterday we were in Thomas Tilmann's shop and one of the guys spotted an Amazonian stonefish; one of those hairy ugly things covered with venomenous spines that make cleaning the tank by hand a whole new ballgame

we definitely agreed on it being "pretty", "very cute" and it was quite hard not to buy it, but we don't have proper tanks for such a beastie, let alone proper tapwater

same thing with Chaca chaca......never had one myself, saw Marc's Chaca's quite a few times (years ago) lurking under the bogwood and I really like this fish

in Zoozajac there was a Cetopsis coecutiens swimming sharklike in a too small tank and I think it's beautiful

very very sharklike....the shape, the color, the swimming, the metallic sheen.......it's too bad they're such antisocial destruction machines or there would be one in my tank already.

they look like the creeps in the Pentagon had their way with fish vs off-the-scale military experiments.

[Marc van Arc]

Well said Larry! Most of this family make my skin crawl, but i find something curiously appealing with Cetopsis.......

I think you're mixing things up Richard. Almost every Cetopsidae is called (Denti-/Para-)Cetopsis, except for Helogenes, which is the mildest family member.
The Candirus mentioned by Larry sit in Trichomycteridae

[Richard B]

Well said Larry! Most of this family make my skin crawl, but i find something curiously appealing with Cetopsis.......

I think you're mixing things up Richard. Almost every Cetopsidae is called (Denti-/Para-)Cetopsis, except for Helogenes, which is the mildest family member.
The Candirus mentioned by Larry sit in Trichomycteridae

I think i definately was - too tired & in a rush i'm afraid - had a warning light come on, on the dashboard friday afternoon & i'm supposed to be driving to Heathrow first thing Tues morning for a holiday in NY. On a bank holiday weekend it could've been impossible to fix & meant i couldn't drive there. A quick trip to a garage that could fit me i & problem solved: a faulty brakelight bulb causing the engine managemnt system to show a fault - simple but worrying & frustrating & now fixed!